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HR-Cyril



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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:35 pm    Post subject: Engagement... did you miss it?
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Some of you have probably caught glimpses of the following in the game, I'll try to explain it all here, though I've tried for the most part to keep it pretty straight forward, if I fail to answer any questions (which is likely), feel free to ask...

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You examine the area around you and possible opponents...
 
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[#1] Scarlet Rose (balanced) is advancing on Cyril Dubius from a fair distance and on level ground.
[MB] Morrigan Blackfury is facing Cyril Dubius at melee range and on level ground.
[CD] Cyril Dubius is facing Morrigan Blackfury at melee range and on level ground.
Morrigan Blackfury is it!
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Ok, so now, along with regular engagement information, we have a map of the immediate area. Players are represented by their initials, and NPCs are represented by a # and their own number. What this system does for you is allows you to use a little bit of strategy when fighting if you desire. Things like party formations and ambushes will now be possible, as well as groups being able to more efficiently work together.

Along with the usual engage & retreat, there are a couple other verbs that will help you to move around the map in different situations.

walk/step (dirrection) (distance): Moves you about the map rather slowly but at no cost to yourself. STEP N 3 will start you wandering north 3 "slots" on the map. While walking you still regain stamina and can defend yourself noirmally. Keep in mind that walking/stepping is slower than engaging and, as with all movement, you can't walk through players or NPCs.

dash/run (dirrection) (distance): Moves you like walk/step, only much faster. This is the fastest way to move about the room, but it has a cost. Dashing will drain your stamina rather rapidly (consider your sprinting) and while running your unable to defend yourself as good as if you were walking or engaging. Dash is also faster than retreat, but running too far can be dangerous, as well as changing dirrections mid stride.

More ways to move around are on the way, such as circling around your opponent and leaping into battle, even jumping over your opponent to the other side. Terrain will also affect combat. a "+1" or "+2" and so on marks higher ground on the map, as well as an "XX" which marks an obstruction, either natural or player made.

At the time of this post, the system is live, though not neccissarry for combat. It is, however, useful in playing a game of TAG. Give it a shot, and if you still have questions or suggestions post them here.
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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:56 am    Post subject:
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Dashing will drain your stamina rather rapidly (consider your sprinting) and while running your unable to defend yourself as good as if you were walking or engaging.

But isn't running/dashing a good way to avoid missile fire? Well, melee attacks as well, assuming they don't catch up to you, heh.

The system seems awesome.
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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:33 am    Post subject:
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I'm not in the game right now, but I'm curious.. how big is the assessment map (ex: 10x10 units)?

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:35 am    Post subject:
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Yes, hitting a running player with missile weapons will most likely be harder.

And the map is 12 x 16
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More ways to move around are on the way, such as circling around your opponent and leaping into battle, even jumping over your opponent to the other side.


In keeping with this, will we see moves like tumbling/flipping out of melee?
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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Engagement... did you miss it?
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HR-Cyril wrote:
dash/run (dirrection) (distance): Moves you like walk/step, only much faster.


Your lungs begin to burn and your legs start to ache, you won't be able to keep this up for long!
You reach your destination and stop running.

Just to warn everyone.. I took a 77 point stamina hit for DASHing five units over. Then tried just one over and took a 10 point hit. Bad mojo. Have to pump Vitality now, because Cyril had to go and create a nice system. Evil or Very Mad

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:58 pm    Post subject:
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I also like how the asses map goes into room display also, making it easier to work with when scroll goes by
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More ways to move around are on the way, such as circling around your opponent and leaping into battle, even jumping over your opponent to the other side.


Will Guardians get a bonus/extra skills along these lines? Mr. Green

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:41 am    Post subject:
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Deblaeju wrote:
I also like how the asses map goes into room display also, making it easier to work with when scroll goes by



You said "asses map".
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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:04 am    Post subject:
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In keeping with this, will we see moves like tumbling/flipping out of melee?


Great suggestion with the tumbling, flipping is already in the works (in my head at least). I forgot to mention that any suggestions are verry appriciated at this point! Razz

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Will Guardians get a bonus/extra skills along these lines?


Different classes and races will have natural bonuses (ie: Agent's engage 20% faster), though most manuevers will be availiable to everyone (weather or not they can pull it off is another story). In the long run though, you can expect class-specific maneuvers.
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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:30 pm    Post subject:
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It would be reaaalllly nice if you could echo it into a window (the thought window or something that's not really used) and have it refresh every time someone changes position... it'd make it a lot easier to utilize, although I don't know if what I'm suggseting is possible. It'd be nice, though *grins*.
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There is one potential problem here. We have no way of telling if you have the thought window open or not (tho we can tell if you're using the Wizard or not). So those using the Wizard w/out the window open would get spammed. I suppose a setting could perhaps be in place to dictate whether you got such spams. But, this entire process might be too laggy to be practical, only testing would tell.
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There is one potential problem here. We have no way of telling if you have the thought window open or not (tho we can tell if you're using the Wizard or not). So those using the Wizard w/out the window open would get spammed. I suppose a setting could perhaps be in place to dictate whether you got such spams. But, this entire process might be too laggy to be practical, only testing would tell.


Couldn't you echo it to room window? Or rather, have a setting to send it to room window, and use the "If room window open, echo to game window" setting on the wizard?

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The wizard isn't so kind as to provide any mechanism to tell which options are set in config, nor if a particular window is open or not, I'm afraid. On the whole, our level of control of the Wizard FE is very limited.
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