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Denavae
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 Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Roleplaying and multiple characters
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Several of us have multiple accounts, allowing for two characters on at a time. Most of us also know that person A and person B are played by the same person, at least if you pay attention long enough to notice.

So how should the rest of us roleplay with these multiple characters? I personally roleplay with each as a separate entity, which I believe is the way it should be done. Yes, I know that Scott and Jim Bob are both played by my friend Joseph. But Vae doesn't know Joseph, so both Scott and Jim Bob are two separate individuals. At least, that's my reasoning behind the whole multiple characters thing.

So here we have a predicament. If I have a problem with character A, should I have the same problem with character B? I think not. It's bullshit to use OOC information, such as knowing who the characters are played, in an RP game. One, it ruins the roleplaying. Two, it's just bad taste.

And then going even further to "accidentally" start saying the other character's name while talking to the alt. For example, Vae's talking to Jim Bob and says, "Well, you're a little fucker, Sco- ... Jim bob." What's the point? This is a roleplaying game designed for people to gather and ROLEPLAY in an environment separate from our own, and I, for one, would like it to be used as such.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject:
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i'm assuming i'm missing the backstory to inspire this post?
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject:
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It was more a rant with valid questions for others to answer. Knowing the backstory isn't important.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject:
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i don't think it's shocking for you to want characters to be treated separate from the players, then.

that said, while i know there are a good number of people who play their characters separate from themselves, i also know there are a lot of players who play their characters as themselves, and thus get extremely invested in things. i'm sorry to hear that is frustrating you.

to make things more uplifting, i have to say i'm thrilled to hear how well everyone was acting during the Children of Ilav event. it's good to hear that players who aren't just of the 100+ crowd really getting into an event and giving it their all. I'm really happy to see RP still going strong in HR,
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject:
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I do my best to treat each as a separate entity. Though I myself don't really like making alts. I have enough to deal with playing just Zanquin, I don't really need another. Besides, it means I go to Willy or Shareen for my brokering, Mellie or Alimara for most of my artisan needs, and if I really need a lift, all I have to do is ask Earthie. Mixing too, which I haven't asked anyone to do for a long time, is another example.

All in all, I've found that I usually like all the characters of one player, whether I am aware of them being an alt or not.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject:
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i don't think it's shocking for you to want characters to be treated separate from the players, then.

that said, while i know there are a good number of people who play their characters separate from themselves, i also know there are a lot of players who play their characters as themselves, and thus get extremely invested in things. i'm sorry to hear that is frustrating you.


I think you missed the target behind the questions. I play Vae as myself. Both of us love surfing, both of us love wearing boardshorts, we both have long hair, etc, etc. He was made in my image. What I was questioning is this. Say Yaru has a problem with Vae. Whatever it may be. And you find out that Daedalus is my alt (which isn't true, just an example). Would it be appropriate for Yaru to spout out that Daedalus is Vae? Would it be appropriate for Yaru to treat Daedalus as he would Vae? These are the questions I had in regard to treating alternate characters as separate entities. Not separate from the puppet master behind them, but as separate individuals themselves.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject:
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You know I'd think it'd be common sense that you don't treat a person and their other characters the same. They aren't. Heck, you could be best friends with someone, and loathe their other character, it's just Roleplay. And if you can't disassociate between them, then maybe a Roleplaying game isn't for you.
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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject:
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Denavae wrote:
I think you missed the target behind the questions. I play Vae as myself. Both of us love surfing, both of us love wearing boardshorts, we both have long hair, etc, etc. He was made in my image. What I was questioning is this. Say Yaru has a problem with Vae. Whatever it may be. And you find out that Daedalus is my alt (which isn't true, just an example). Would it be appropriate for Yaru to spout out that Daedalus is Vae? Would it be appropriate for Yaru to treat Daedalus as he would Vae? These are the questions I had in regard to treating alternate characters as separate entities. Not separate from the puppet master behind them, but as separate individuals themselves.


of course they should be treated separately. and i didn't mean it's poor RP to base a character on yourself, but to treat the character as if it was you. aka: if yaru pisses denavae off, you're not personally pissed off.

Milan Fiori wrote:
You know I'd think it'd be common sense that you don't treat a person and their other characters the same. They aren't. Heck, you could be best friends with someone, and loathe their other character, it's just Roleplay. And if you can't disassociate between them, then maybe a Roleplaying game isn't for you.


that's what i was thinking, too. i think it's common sense.
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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject:
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I'm pretty sure I know what specific instance you're talking about Vae, and that person who did this thing is known for having a lack of regard for being IC. I would very much love to see something put into effect that can help players combat this sort of thing that is distructive to the gameplay.

I'd love to see something that's inbetween IC (Gemrem) and reporting that we can use to help let the GMs know when a certain player isn't interested in maintaining the environment of Haelrahv. I'm not talking about something like "Sue just said she likes cats and Haelrahv doesn't have cats" kind of thing, but something more serious like what you're talking about, Vae.

Maybe there can be a command that's something like a combination of BUG and BADNAME. For example: OOC <player> <player> <offense>. And then once any certain player accumulates a certain number of these, it'll send up a flag for the GMs to review the complaints and then take it from there, if they think it's necessary.

I would hate for the GMs to have to police us on this sort of thing, because frankly they have better things to do with their time. But maybe if we had an option like this, we could cut down on instances where certain people intentionally cause trouble by being OOC.

Just my two cents.
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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject:
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Casual mention of PRAY GEMREM here.
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Denavae
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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:06 pm    Post subject:
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Agreed.

A verb that we can use to notify GM's of disruptive behavior, but also tells the player of that character they've gotten one of these 'marks'. It might be all good and dandy to have the GM's find out about it, but if the player doesn't know they're getting the marks against them, they won't have a chance to correct themselves.

But I like that idea, Wei.

Here's another question for us to mull over. If such a thing is implemented, what should be the punishments meted out? Get five marks, and a warning from the GM's? Continue with the behavior, get 10 marks and a week long suspension? Continue further, recieve 15-20 marks and a three month suspension? Anything more and get banned?

How could we prevent this from being abused? Jack just doesn't like the way Vae is being played, even though it's completely IC, and sends him a mark. How should this be handled? Some way to dispute it and punishment for the accuser's misuse?

EDITED:: What's PRAY GEMREM?
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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject:
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does PRAY GEMREM even work? i know there were a few times 4-6 people tried using it, but it never went off.

i wouldn't want anyone getting banned for poor RP (even to the point of being OOC), but i'd rather start seeing them get excluded from RP events, or losing the ability to use ACT/XACT, or telepathy, or anything that lets them do more than just treat the game as a place to grind.
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Yeah it works. It requires six votes, and multiple characters on one IP address only count as one vote.
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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject:
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HR-Trevor wrote:
Yeah it works. It requires six votes, and multiple characters on one IP address only count as one vote.


while i think Gemrem works great for widescale nuttyness, there are quite a few times where someone is being obnoxious in a more private setting, and i'd feel dumb IMing a few people who aren't in the loop as to what is giong on just to ask them to also pray gemrem.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but doesn't Gemrem just make them stumble around and drop cash and stuff?
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