Equipment

[Tao]

Man, I really hate the idea of weapons breaking. It's like when I was playing DR and had a really sweet scimitar that was in perfect condition but broke after a few swings at a crite down in Shard. I had the skills and stats to handle the crite with no problem, but it still broke. I reported it and the GM basically told me shit happens, go use something else. After that happened, I was scared to use expensive, hard-to-get, or altered weapons/armor. I know I'm gonna miss my toys when we go to LIVE, but getting weapons/armor altered wont be fun no more. I like the idea of weapons/armor needing repairs but to have them eventually wear down to not being able to use em....ughh. I can see it now, I'll have a room full of worn down boomsticks collecting dust. It'd be like a weapons cemetary. Sighs.
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[HR-Trevor]

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[HR-Trevor]

I generally think it's good for the game as a whole to have almost everything wear out. The one grand exception is cosmetic items because in a perfect world you'd have lots of styles and designs to give you reason for variety, rather than wearing out one ratty tunic after another.
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[Denavae]

Well, I guess it all works out with the breakage, though. I mean, artisans will be able to change look and tap of stuff, won't they? So, if it just breaks, go get it remade.

[Tao]

I could go for the holotek idea. Please Trevor?
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[wildlandsong]

I am very unhappy to find out my altered weapons and items will wear out and break. Weapons especially. If you want my clothing to wear out to tattered rags fine but please dont destroy my treasured weapons. I would rather have my house fall apart than my best weapon destroyed. There are tons of ways to soak up money and there are always going to be those that horde it even when there are things to do with it.

I sincerely think there should be ways for us to protect one or two treasured items at the very least. Maintenance time sinks in cleaning and care as you have considered will extend the life of the object but in the end your still saying my altered weapon will be destroyed. If you want to get money out of the system, a payment to some crazed mage who puts a protection spell on it that lasts x amount of time. I mean whats the point of creating something unique and wonderful if the next time i take a swipe at a critter it collapses into shards??? Ok yes I could use a holoprojection to transfer my treasured design from one blade to the next over and over but is the illusion of my grandfathers rifle the same as holding my grandfathers rifle and knowing that its passed from generation to generation carefully cared for by loving hands? Yes I am a sentimental slob. In DR I have a forged weapon that isnt the best available now but it orignally belonged to a dear friend who passed it to a mutal friend when he left who gave it to me when he left. It has history. It has special meaning to me and when i leave DR which I have been meaning to do because i spend all my time in HR i will pass that treasured weapon on to someone I care about to pass on to someone they care about. I altered it with loving memory to those that had gone before.

Yeah i would be bummed if my vanity wig fell apart but i can live without pretty hair and fancy clothing but losing my treasured weapons... that would be torture. Sure take my storebought skinning knife.. or my replacable weapons, destroy my artist made armor so I have to buy new stuff. But my fest ones? Destroying festival items means those with the money will horde large numbers of items to sell at outrageous prices later.

Losing my altered weapon (which are the main weapons I use) means I lose my preferred means of making money to get those fancy useless luxuries that one buys like wigs and bigger backpacks and pretty jewelry or fun clothing. But even more so it means I lose the virtual items I use to make my character unique as well as the RP that evolves around those items.

I understand why you want to do the deterioration but I am not happy about it. I think there should be expensive ways to thwart the degradation. Please consider giving us some options for that. I am all for needing the artists and needing the techs and for diversity in the game but dont make it so realistic that its not fun to have special things any more. I know your putting a lot of thought into this and a lot of work into making the land a better place for us all. I am grateful for that, but sometimes there is such a thing as too realistic. Part of being here is the joy of sharing but also of being able to own somethings virtually that we cant RL.

DR became less joyful to live in because it became too realistic and people there lost thier close knit family ways. Thier GMs became jaded and unresponsive. I love it here in HR because you are responsive and because even with our differences we are family here. I fully support you trying to better the game but remember to leave a little unreality in for the dreamers and optimists who think they can hand on the baton of a treasured item to future generations as an hierloom piece.

[HR-Trevor]

You do realize this is a discussion about Live, not about the existing game, and therefore your existing items are in no way affected or part of the discussion, right?
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[Tao]

Well I have been told to save the descriptions of our altered stuff so that when LIVE comes, we can eventually get it done again (if it meets the requirements of course). I know that we'll be losing our stuff when we go to LIVE but it would pain me to know that if I do get them recreated, that they're eventually be unusable to me. It'd be like losing them again.
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doom and gloom aside, what is the [average?] shelf-life of a weapon planned to be?
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[Seth Ventril]

While it does suck to lose your favorite items, and your custom items, and all that...For 1, we all knew it was going to be happen (This doesn't really lessen the blow any though), and for a while now Trevor has been talking about equipment wearing down (neither does this).


But...I've still yet to see a point where he's said that some merchants might even offer to immortalize your alterations...Of course if this were possible, it would probably be pricey, and have some kind of penalty to fit with what Trevor said about permanent gear being weaker in most cases at the cost of having no wear-down...Maybe something like -1 max quality, or -1 max damage.
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[Hokius]

I for one am against the idea of ultimately irreperable damage. I tend to get very sentimental about my weapons as well. However I understand the need to balance the game a bit by forcing us to spend money. I've been using the exact same weapons since I was level 1, and I'm now so far above that level I can't even remember what it was like. In any other RPG that simply would not happen. If the weapons can break but still look nice so I can hang them on my wall then I think I could deal with the whole thing in the name of making the game work better.
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from what i'm understanding, the weapon you use at level 20 won't be the same weapon you'll want to use at level 50, anyway. so really if you have anything altered the next tier or so you'll still probably want to swap it out.
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[HR-Trevor]

[Wei Wao]

I personally think this system sounds cool. I think it adds another dynamic to hunting, which is always good in my books. However, after reading some of these posts that are concerned about the sentimental value of things and also about altered items, I'm curious about if there will be a cosmetic side to the player-crafted armor and weapons.

For example, will uber-weapon-crafter Yaru be able to make me a halxna pulse gun with electric blue accents or will he just be able to make me a pulse gun? I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be a lot less upset about outgrowing or wearing out an altered item if I knew I could get something else that would equally express my character's individual style.
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