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HR-Trevor Boss Type Guy
Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 6683 Location: Louisville, KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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The way the two classes are defined has been a steady thing, but I can see where that might be hard to determine for players.
Agents are as much as special agent as they are an urban survivalist or a street thug. They own the realms of stealth, subterfuge, assassination, security systems including computer-based ones, intrusion, theft, etc. Examples of an Agent would be a secret agent, a jewel thief, a common alleyway thug, a hacker, an assassin, etc.
Technicians design, create and repair electronic devices, whether that's repairing cyberware, upgrading security systems, modding a pulse weapon (akin to "slicing" in star wars, for example), building droids, or even doing serious work on vehicles up to an including, say, spacecraft.
I think there's a ton of potential for both professions. But clearly, a tech may understand security systems and technology, but is not the best suited to bypass or exploit them. _________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." -- Plato
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Rcurtis2241
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 65
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Keeping in line with that when are Techs suppost to get something new and cool?
-Sebe the aspiring tech |
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Apatheticloser outcast
Joined: 02 Oct 2005 Posts: 166
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Computers, electronics, cyberwear.. these are all a Techs domain. We are the best, we know it all. How are you going to say the tech that build the system, and the other tech that wants to tear it down, dont know all the backdoors? sure, agents should be able to use this system too.. but they Dont build the security systems. they dont deal with the ever changing tech, from the inside, as its built.
in short: yes let agents do this, but dont take it from us, dont limit us. we rule the systems.. what we create, we can destroy. |
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HR-Faith OCD Grammar Perfectionist
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 964 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not the Tech or the Agent guru, but I -can- tell you from a lifetime of IT experience...those who BUILD the hardware don't always understand the software.
I knew IT professionals who could (and did) design tiny delicate memory wafer chips, but didn't understand that you had to install a printer driver to be able to print from your PC.
Just my two cents for the day. _________________ Counselor Faith Tempest
Medic Guru
hr-faith@haelrahv.com
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." -- Bilbo Baggins --
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Apatheticloser outcast
Joined: 02 Oct 2005 Posts: 166
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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your right.. that is a person that got a job in a place where they thought they would make money. they were trained how to push buttons on a machine.. if there is a new machine put in, they are trained to push buttons and maintain that. I dont view that person as a technician, reguardless of thier job title. granted, there are those that actually design the chips.. before its turned into a mass produection thing.
Personally a technician knows software, and hardware. what works best together, what blows up together. |
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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and while that's a good arguement, the agents are the super spies in haelrahv. the techs are more like the sidekick wacky professor who makes the gadgets. _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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HR-Faith OCD Grammar Perfectionist
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 964 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Apatheticloser wrote: |
granted, there are those that actually design the chips.. before its turned into a mass produection thing. |
And that's exactly the type of person I was talking about. These guys had doctorates and were micro-electronic engineers. They understood hardware like you wouldn't believe. They actually designed the chips (not just sat around pushing buttons so the machine would make them).
But understanding software? Hahaha.... _________________ Counselor Faith Tempest
Medic Guru
hr-faith@haelrahv.com
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." -- Bilbo Baggins --
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Kit Cybertech Extraordinaire~
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 3071 Location: Currently cyberwiring your mind
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Course we know software...we work on organizers. And program droids, which are massively complicated. _________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam Savage
AIM: KitMurphyHR
Email: yojibalinese@hotmail.com
Technician Database: http://tech.haelrahv.net/ |
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kit wrote: |
Course we know software...we work on organizers. And program droids, which are massively complicated. |
but you're not breaking into them.
maybe techs can't work under that specific kind of pressure.
maybe techs can't break into the area before using the tools.
maybe techs can't hide properly while using the tools.
it isn't like hacking in Haelrahv means a computer a few hundred miles away and a DSL line. it can mean breaking and entering and then using some tech-tools. and techs might not be cut for that line of work, but they may be cut for making the tools. _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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Kit Cybertech Extraordinaire~
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 3071 Location: Currently cyberwiring your mind
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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soundless wrote: |
Kit wrote: |
Course we know software...we work on organizers. And program droids, which are massively complicated. |
but you're not breaking into them.
maybe techs can't work under that specific kind of pressure.
maybe techs can't break into the area before using the tools.
maybe techs can't hide properly while using the tools.
it isn't like hacking in Haelrahv means a computer a few hundred miles away and a DSL line. it can mean breaking and entering and then using some tech-tools. and techs might not be cut for that line of work, but they may be cut for making the tools. |
Actually, in what I was suggesting, it DOES mean a computer a few hundred miles away and a DSL line. Not breaking in with tech tools. _________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam Savage
AIM: KitMurphyHR
Email: yojibalinese@hotmail.com
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HR-Mickey Cloverfield Monster
Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Posts: 1844 Location: I've Got No 'billy
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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granted, there are those that actually design the chips.. before its turned into a mass produection thing.
Personally a technician knows software, and hardware. what works best together, what blows up together. |
Being able to rebuild an engine doesn't guarantee I know how to build a car bomb. _________________ Mickey Brunner
To make a long story short, don't tell it.
I may be going nowhere, but I'm going nowhere fast.
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Kelvin Watt says, "I stopped drinking coke when no longer drinking beer didn't make my gut disappear."
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Kaelin Rae says, "Wait a minute..."
Kaelin Rae says, "You mean they have a COKE machine that dispenses beer."
Kaelin Rae nods to you.
Kaelin Rae says, "Greaser."
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Enverdi Strange and Exciting
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 514
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Um, I'm a tech and I agree...software is entirely different.
We as techs know how to repair the hardware but nowhere in our skills do we specialize in "Computers". If we did, I'd say it would be our realm to hack. However, it isn't.
Organizers are a stretch. I don't know why techs get the ability to repair them by popping in a disk. It makes no sense to me.
We are the ones that saulder, tinker, mend, and seal. We do *not* hack, and I'm not entirely behind the idea of making us do so. _________________ Why use logic when you can just...make stuff up? |
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Gabriel
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 196
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Enverdi wrote: |
We are the ones that saulder, tinker, mend, and seal. We do *not* hack, and I'm not entirely behind the idea of making us do so. |
>hack drone
Hack the droid's what? (Options are: espionage, technical, or combat) |
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Enverdi Strange and Exciting
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 514
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I realize that occurs. That's a specific occurrance of us doing to something that which we shouldn't, and we are also the only ones who can touch our droids. _________________ Why use logic when you can just...make stuff up? |
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SoulTorn Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
Joined: 20 Nov 2002 Posts: 685 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Agents use hacking skill to crack security systems.
Technicians use hacking skill to improve security(and general purpose) systems.
#EDIT#: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
-Chris _________________ "Drama is like a varm sveater that hugs you on a cold vinter's day." - Nevrek |
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