News 41 - Stamina drain update

[Tugor]

I don't think the stamina drain for using ranged attacks should be as severe as using melee strikes considering ranged users don't get the balance modifers from successful shots.

In Kuchos when using a melee weapon Tshar was able to get to incredibly balanced with ease, using ranged he never gets passed 'well' and usually stays around 'fairly well'.

I've been hunting quite a bit and Tshar's stamina has dropped below 90% a few times using pulse with 70 vitality and the Robust trait.
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with 3 (19) vitality, each time i fire my rifle i lose 4-6 points of stamina.

that's sorta... a big change from 1 point.

i'm down to 65 stamina after killing under 10 beetles... and that's with firing once every 10 seconds.

i picked fired weapons because they specifically didn't require me to be stamina-heavy. they're weapons that worked with the stats i wanted to train and aren't hard on stamina. now i'm getting tons of trouble.

edit: had the change the stamina loss numbers a bit. i ended up paying closer attention, heh.
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A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death.

[Dzynna]

30 (33) Vitality (it's not huge, but it's not totally neglected).
Unarmed combat (headbutts) with 2 RT for each attack (no quickness potions or any other ones for that matter).
Hunting adult hushoguj which are FAR beneath Dzynna in ability.

2 dead creatures = less than 30% vitality left.

Seems a little high to me.

Haven't tried ranged yet, only the unarmed. Will post more if something similar happens with ranged.
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Dzynna Zol
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The Retreat
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[SoulTorn]

focus guard

You stare intently at a royal guard.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
A royal guard is suddenly struck by complete paralysis!
>shoot
Taking advantage of an opening, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. With finesse, you land a devastating hit to his neck as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard reels and falls flat on his back!
Siezing a perfect moment, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. You land a fair hit to his neck as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, well rested, and your inner focus is lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>
shoot

You feel fully rested.
>Taking a chance on a tricky shot, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Mercilessly, you land a superficial hit to his neck as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Taking a chance on a tricky shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. Mercilessly, you land a slight hit to his neck as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
[You are balanced, healthy, well rested, and your inner focus is lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>
shoot

Focused intently, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. With little resistance, you land a massive hit to his neck as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard sighs, "For the Crown." and collapses.
[You are balanced, healthy, well rested, and your inner focus is lacking.]
Roundtime: 1 sec.

That took me down to 94%, according to the Wizard in GS mode.

Now, killing a guard without paralysis in effect:

>shoot guard
With an utter lack of precision, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Without hesitation, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield.
Making the best of a difficult shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. With skill, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield, barely breaking a sweat.
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, well rested, and your inner focus is slightly lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>
shoot guard

Sure of a good opening, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Shockingly, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield in a feat of pure luck.
Concentrating on the shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. In a display of true skill, you land a devastating hit to her left eye as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard is completely dazed by the attack!
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, well rested, and your inner focus is slightly lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>shoot guard

... wait 1 second.
>shoot guard

Gauging the shot with care, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. You land a serious hit to her left foot as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Patiently waiting for a good shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. In short order, you land a devastating hit to her right eye as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard reels and falls flat on her back!
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is slightly lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>shoot guard

Your heavy gun is not yet ready to fire again.
>The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek twilight blue gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>
shoot guard

Concentrating on the shot, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. In a display of true skill, you land a devastating hit to her chest as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Carefully timing the shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. In a display of skill, you land a devastating hit to her left eye as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
[You are well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is slightly lacking.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek twilight blue gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>shoot guard

Focused intently, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. With little resistance, you land a devastating hit to her left foot as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Sure of a good opening, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. Shockingly, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield in a feat of pure luck.
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>A royal guard is no longer stunned.
>
shoot guard

Taking a chance on a tricky shot, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Mercilessly, you land a devastating hit to her left eye as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard is completely dazed by the attack!
Fighting off distraction, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. Ready to meet the challenge, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield.
[You are fairly well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>Stumbling awkwardly, a royal guard slashes a fine eilaro katana at a royal guard. Amazingly, she lands a slight hit to her left leg as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
>
shoot guard

Your heavy gun is not yet ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek twilight blue gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>shoot guard

Focused intently, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. With little resistance, you land a superficial hit to her right arm as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Taking advantage of an opening, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. With finesse, you land a devastating hit to her right leg as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
[You are well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek twilight blue gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>
shoot guard

Hoping to make the best of a poor shot, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Somehow, you land a devastating hit to her head as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Showing true inexperience at work, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. At the last moment she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield, barely managing to avoid disaster.
[You are well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>As a royal guard raises her head and opens her eyes, she focuses on a royal guard and draws her right fist back, then strikes her open left palm.
shoot guard

Sure of a good opening, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. Shockingly, she blocks the attack using a vyeftium round shield in a feat of pure luck.
Fumbling a bit in the process of taking a shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. Amazingly, you land a devastating hit to her right hand as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
[You are well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.
A royal guard is no longer stunned.
>The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek twilight blue gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
The distinct whirring sound that barely emanates from a sleek night black gun informs you that it is ready to fire again.
>
shoot guard

Gauging the shot with care, you fire a sleek twilight blue gun at a royal guard. You land a devastating hit to her right arm as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
Carefully timing the shot, you fire a sleek night black gun at a royal guard. In a display of skill, you land a serious hit to her head as a royal guard fails to block with a vyeftium round shield.
A royal guard sighs, "For the Crown." and collapses.
[You are well balanced, healthy, slightly tired, and your inner focus is strong.]
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Dropped me to ~74%.

Vitality : 50 (51)

-Chris
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[HR-Trevor]

I should explain a few things. The idea is that stamina will drain much more quickly - intentionally, while you also enjoy more stamina regen pulses (the pulses that recover hp, stamina and focus now occur at roughly 3 per 60-70 sec instead of 1 per).

I also updated the regeneration of each of these to be a percentage of your max hp, sp, and fp accordingly before any bonuses for spells, items, etc are added in.

There are a LOT of choices to help with stamina:
- Vitality potions.
- Stamina regen potions.
- Massages (help a lot and last a long time!).
- Stamina max increasing items.
- Vitality increasing items.
- Stamina regen rate increasing items.
- Soothing Lullaby spellsong (helps all three regens - hp, sp and fp, has low stringed skill req and is open to all professions).
- Some stances modify stamina changes.

And probably others I'm forgetting. I'm still in the process of adjusting numbers, but the idea is that instead of constantly staying at 90-100% stamina, you actually do either have to take measures or take small breaks. The additional pulses help shorten those breaks.

Show of hands for many non-newbies here had to worry about stamina on a regular basis in combat before this change? I think we all know this change was overdue.

And re: guns.... look at it this way, you have the lowest stamina drain per attack possible, excluding the above considerations, because of your low RT.
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at what percentage of fatigue places you in danger?
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A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death.

[HR-Trevor]

Currently - and this is subject to change at any time - Every 6% of fatigue loss deducts a point of skill from attack / defense. So being at 0% stamina would put you at -16 skill.

I am considering changing this to something like at a 30% stamina lost mark, start deducting at a rate of -1 per 5%... or something, but at this point there is no magical threshhold, it's just a graduated scale at 6% mark intervals.
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how about critters? does that work for them now, too?

the skill loss isn't as bad as i was thinking it would be. i think i was more worried over the numbers being so low than the actually results of them being that low
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A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death.

[HR-Trevor]

The same numbers apply to creatures, but I am considering modifying it so that stamina loss hits them harder since you're generally fighting fresh creatures over and over.
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[Tugor]

When will we be getting an engagement system to go with all these new changes. With an engagement system we could actually retreat and 'take a breather' instead of having to leave the hunting area to catch our breaths. With an engagement system Tshar wouldn't even be at melee with Kuchos.
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[Nelle]

Okay wow.. now I know what everyone was talking about. When I hunt I use blades and I doubleslash.. and it's a major difference now.. I'm seeing it drop by 20 points for each doubleslash. One question.. will siphon still become a psionic only spell? That is really going to hurt if it does.

It really does come back fast, however.. as long as you stop a moment. Much faster than it use to.
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[Nelle]

[Tugor]