Brokering and commision/tipping.

[TheTrackerChick]

[Dante]

[HR-Trevor]

Imagine what a Bureaucrat getting some skill training out of this would do to the argument...
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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." -- Plato

-- Trevor Rage / Rich Mondy

[winddancer]

I like the way the brokering system is set up for the most part, except for a few minor issues that I feel should be changed as I mentioned already in the previous post.

I definitely don't believe in having a system-forced tipping system, because I believe it's the right of a player to make their own choices in this. (And it makes for fun RP!)

I do support the right of people to choose to charge if they wish, without being harassed or sneered at for it, and a person's right to expect adequate payment for their services. Just as we all have the right to refuse to use said service if we are not willing to pay the price.

If Belethe wasn't the kind of person she is, I would probably have made it a payment service thing. But one, math is evil, and two, there are some players (not the characters) who tend to get snarky when a character actually *gasps* reads out a price list for services to be rendered. I just don't have the time or energy to waste on those people who think brokering/healing/teching services MUST be given freely, or that we shouldn't EXPECT payment and be grateful for tips.

and finally, three: I like most of Belethe's customers. They're funny, friendly and cool-type characters that make Belethe's day enjoyable. So I don't really feel like insisting on payment. Though Belethe will make little guilt-inducing comments to some people if they continually not give her something for no reason.

A lot of people don't seem to realize that, at least with commodities and not potions, ....although Trevor was saying that commodities should working like potions too...err..where was I...?

I think what people don't seem to realize is that the bonus they are getting is not just the Broker bonus.

Brokers are getting people exactly the same price for each bundle when they broker for the people. If people sold their own bundles, each bundle thereafter would be worth less. So what brokers are getting you is the bonus AND the money you would have lost had you sold your many bundles yourself.

E.g. When we sell 10,000 units of sirolei for $110,000, the extra money you're getting is not $10,000. You're getting as a benefit the broker bonus PLUS whatever you would have lost had you sold the sirolei bundles yourself. Say, for example, that each bundle sold drops the price by 2%...imagine what you would have lost without a broker.

How much time and money would have been wasted if you had chosen to sell the items yourself?

YOUR profit from brokering is much more than $10,000, so giving your broker the "extra" broker bonus money is not really asking a lot when you think about it.

Belethe's a much nicer person than I am...so she's happy to help people. *G*

As a character, I don't demand payment from people when I broker for them, because I see brokering as a way to nudge people to donate to her (shady) charity fund.

Belethe's real work lies in lawyering and (hopefully) other fun stuff. (I can't wait for the fun stuff!!)

I suspect though, that the issue of tipping and payments will be a bitter one down the line...

Something about players and the tight fist they have over their money.... *tsk* *ducks and grins*

Bell's player.

p.s. No, I never played an empath as a primary in DR.

[SolitaryTurnip]

[winddancer]

[HR-Trevor]

Gah, no, you misunderstood. The argument = the debate over tipping or not tipping, whether it should be expected or not, etc, as a *community* issue, not a debate between a specific player and another.

In other words, one side would have a new "case" for no tipping or not being expected to at least, while others would say skill gain has no effect on the issue.

To use the DR thing, look at empaths and them gaining transference. "Why should I tip you, you NEED me to level!" etc.
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-- Trevor Rage / Rich Mondy

[Tylen]

[winddancer]

[HR-Trevor]

[Tylen]

[Dante]

[Kelasa]

I've actually been pretty much biting my tongue on this because I was wanting to see what a populance in general wanted. I had noted before that every time a non bureaucrat sold a bundle of 50 the unit per price appeared to drop 10.03%. This number was come from a lot of extensive testing on my part and was told then that I was wrong by trevor, that there is a set ammount that the market drops. But I went and just ran a test and purposely crashed something on the market to get these numbers:

10 unrefined bundled of something.

Not using a bureaucrat:
Starting ticker price: 10.0 - $500, 9.06 - $453, 8.14 - $407, 7.24 - $362, 6.36 - $318, 5.49 - $274, 4.64 - $231, 3.81 - $190, 2.99 - $149, 2.19 - $109, Final ticker price: 1.41 Final profit: $2993. Now to this you can add your charisma divided by 13 rounded down as you bonus %. This was done on someone with a 3 charisma so no bonuses will play into effect on these numbers.

Now lets say a level 5 bureaucrat who hasn't been training their charisma or class skills sells for you. You would broker 500 units for a base profit of $5000. This here shows just over a 40% increase in profit, before counting any bonuses in.

Now different factors play into a bureaucrats bonuses, so we can get a lot higher then the base bonus anyone else can get. I don't know if a bureaucrat's bonus can ever top off or not. By making the bonus that a bureaucrat has trained to receive... in some cases sacrificing other skills in a vain attempt to be better then anyone else *coughs* Kelasa *coughs* into a commision which the crat thus receives directly, it would reflect a more real-life scenerio. Stock brokers RL work off just commision. Their jobs entail knowing the market in order to get their clients the best price, how is this any different then training to get our clients the best price?
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[zamde]

Stock brokers in real life also put forth more effort than typing 'y' at a command prompt. If you're going to go out and forage and mine and hunt for me to get the items, that's one thing; but if the extent of my involvement with you is the 3 seconds it takes to commit two keystrokes, I'll sell my own stuff before I submit to a mandated "tip". Whether you've screwed yourself by building your character to the lowest common denominator is your own problem.

[SteveH999]