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TYPHAN
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 11
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject: Bow Carving |
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Thought Id start a new topic for this. Got bored and decided to try my hand at bow making. And I stank !
Coupla questions...
What skills come into play in bowmaking ? Archery and craftsmanship Im assuming. Any others ? Also what stats come into play ?
I know Artisans are the best makers of all things carved etc etc, but will Trackers ever be any good at it ? Since we natural bow users and stuff ? Or will making of stuff with ones hands always be best left to Artisans ?
Also has anyone else had any more luck than me when it comes to making em, artisan, tracker or otherwise ? I can carve a shoddy bow until I get to flexing the limbs, then I fall to pieces and seem to rely heavily on guess work.
Spank yas,
Shadak _________________ "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that... Who cares... He's a mile away and you've got his shoes." |
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HR-Hunter
Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Posts: 564 Location: [Deep Wilderness Shrine, Haelrahv]
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:47 am Post subject: |
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You're correct that archery and craftsmanship are the skills involved, coordination is also important for most parts of the process.
Trackers are a very close second when it comes to woodworking, though not specifically just to bows. After all, staves and clubs are weapons easily found in nature too.
Reguarding difficulty, it is hard, it's designed to grow all the way to 100th, with bows a good bit better then store bought being possible on the high ends. Also the type of wood makes a difference, try Gaoun, it's the easiest.
When you flex the bow perception is an important factor, also since you're not carving into the wood, you can keep flexing it over and over again until you're sure... IF you have the patience for it.
Hope this helps. _________________ ~Hunter~ |
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TYPHAN
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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You're correct that archery and craftsmanship are the skills involved |
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Reguarding difficulty, it is hard, it's designed to grow all the way to 100th |
Good good. Something came to mind today when I was playing with Gaoun earlier on. Will either archery or craftmanship cap out early ?
What I mean by this, mainly from the craftsmanship point of view, as your skill with bows goes up and up, youll obviously get better at making em. Youll understand intricate details of bows, thus enabling you to make better ones.
But with craftsmanship, surely at a certain level of skill, youll be able to handle the tools as well for this type of work as you need to, and thus further skill in craftsmanship will not necessarily result in better bows. Or have I gotten it completely wrong ?
Shadak - Picking holes in everything, mainly the edge of his woodsmans hatchet _________________ "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that... Who cares... He's a mile away and you've got his shoes." |
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Brokyn LLAMA SECHS
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 3648 Location: Northern Georgia
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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But with craftsmanship, surely at a certain level of skill, youll be able to handle the tools as well for this type of work as you need to, and thus further skill in craftsmanship will not necessarily result in better bows. |
Masters of certain fields always have more things they can learn. Most, though, tend to focus their time and energy in one particular sub-area in order to hone specific skills that they seemingly have talent in. I would assume that Craftsmanship is a "catchall" (for lack of a better term) for intricacies, new techniques, and various other things.
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HR-Hunter
Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Posts: 564 Location: [Deep Wilderness Shrine, Haelrahv]
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Specifically reguarding bowmaking, you can cap out your skill on a specific wood, not being able to make a bow any better, but move up to a harder wood and you have more room to grow, along with a better quality final product then one made of a lesser wood. Eventually it'll be possible to cap the very hardest wood (jalumin) but by that point you have skills over 200 and coord over 100.
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I would assume that Craftsmanship is a "catchall" (for lack of a better term) for intricacies, new techniques, and various other things. |
True, though in the live version we're strongly concidering breaking craftsmanship into woodworking, metalworking, etc. _________________ ~Hunter~ |
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TheTrackerChick Babe of Doom
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Thank you very much for the appraisals on crafted bows!!!
Could we get the "Crafted by" on the bows like we do on the arrows by any chance?
look bol
Crafted by Inaira S'real 28th Wiv, 250 NC
Also, is making bows just not set up in the woodcrafting skill system yet? _________________ All explorers are seeking something they have lost. It is seldom they find it, and more seldom still that the attainment brings them greater happiness than the quest. |
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:26 am Post subject: |
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TheTrackerChick wrote: |
Thank you very much for the appraisals on crafted bows!!! |
now you need to post how yours came out! _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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TheTrackerChick Babe of Doom
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: |
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heh, I wanted to test a few of the various woods first, then I will. _________________ All explorers are seeking something they have lost. It is seldom they find it, and more seldom still that the attainment brings them greater happiness than the quest. |
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Platinumyan Master Plush ;(
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 110
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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TheTrackerChick wrote: |
heh, I wanted to test a few of the various woods first, then I will. |
Would be interested in possibly purchasing a high end bow assuming someone is able to surpass the store quality bows. Those who are able, feel free to contact me in PMs or in game.
Yan _________________ You lay a hand upon a post with no constructive comments and full of fact-less argumentative diatribe and focus intently upon it.
This object amazingly decreases one's Logic skill.
This object amazingly enhances one's Flaming skill.
This object considerably enhances one's Annoyance skill.
You sigh.
You say, “Great, another one.” |
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TheTrackerChick Babe of Doom
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here's one of the shop short bows:
You are certain it is of average quality and workmanship.
This weapon is capable of doing very good damage when fired.
It looks as though it would be advantageous at pole range.
and a silbein one that I made:
You are certain it is of good quality and workmanship.
This weapon is capable of doing very good damage when fired.
It looks as though it would be advantageous at pole range.
Longbows:
The shop is of average quality, very good damage. I couldn't make one over poor quality, very good damage.
245 in archery
140 in craftsmanship
I'm not sure how much craftsmanship actually does add to it being better quality, if anyone does know I'd appreciate the info. _________________ All explorers are seeking something they have lost. It is seldom they find it, and more seldom still that the attainment brings them greater happiness than the quest. |
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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i'll try making one tonight myself with 0 archery and 250+ craftsmanship. _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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Moriath
Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 80
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I played with a few different woods, from one of the easiest to the hardest.
app my longbow
You carefully look over a silbein longbow.
It is worn on or over a single shoulder.
Use of this weapon in melee combat requires proficiency in the blunt weapons skill.
Use of this weapon when fired requires proficiency in the archery skill.
You are certain it is of good quality and workmanship.
This weapon uses arrows for ammunition.
This weapon is capable of doing insignificant blunt damage.
This weapon is not suitable for piercing attacks.
This weapon is not suitable for slashing attacks.
This weapon is capable of doing impressive damage when fired.
It looks as though it would be clumsy at melee range.
It looks as though it would be advantageous at pole range.
It looks as though it would be practical at pilum range.
It looks as though it would be practical at missile range.
app my longb
You carefully look over a saifbraelsh longbow.
It is worn on or over a single shoulder.
Use of this weapon in melee combat requires proficiency in the blunt weapons skill.
Use of this weapon when fired requires proficiency in the archery skill.
You are certain it is of good quality and workmanship.
This weapon uses arrows for ammunition.
This weapon is capable of doing insignificant blunt damage.
This weapon is not suitable for piercing attacks.
This weapon is not suitable for slashing attacks.
This weapon is capable of doing impressive damage when fired.
It looks as though it would be clumsy at melee range.
It looks as though it would be advantageous at pole range.
It looks as though it would be practical at pilum range.
It looks as though it would be practical at missile range.
app my longb
You carefully look over a jalumin longbow.
It is worn on or over a single shoulder.
Use of this weapon in melee combat requires proficiency in the blunt weapons skill.
Use of this weapon when fired requires proficiency in the archery skill.
You are certain it is of good quality and workmanship.
This weapon uses arrows for ammunition.
This weapon is capable of doing insignificant blunt damage.
This weapon is not suitable for piercing attacks.
This weapon is not suitable for slashing attacks.
This weapon is capable of doing impressive damage when fired.
It looks as though it would be clumsy at melee range.
It looks as though it would be advantageous at pole range.
It looks as though it would be practical at pilum range.
It looks as though it would be practical at missile range. _________________ Sway..... |
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soundless EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 5970 Location: Spaceship
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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craftsmanship: 187 (291)
coordination: 130 (151)
mentality: 110 (112)
perception: 120 (123)
archery: 0 |
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gaoun shortbow: above average ($98)
silbein shortbow: good ($105) |
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gaoun longbow: above average ($135)
silbein longbow: good ($141) |
so i guess inaira and i both hit the cap...can we have the price upped a bit, by the way? _________________ A bright-eyed Thekko Ku Kalla dressed in a dapper sailor suit takes to flight and careers through the air toward the Modan Kucho and slams into him!
With a high-pitched cry, The Modan Kucho collapses in death. |
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TheTrackerChick Babe of Doom
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I got above average quality and very good damage on the gaoun wood shortbow. _________________ All explorers are seeking something they have lost. It is seldom they find it, and more seldom still that the attainment brings them greater happiness than the quest. |
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TheTrackerChick Babe of Doom
Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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can we have the price upped a bit, by the way? |
Yes please on the bows.....
sell longbow
The clerk offers you $39. Are you SURE you want to sell a jalumin longbow?
And that was with Eka selling it. _________________ All explorers are seeking something they have lost. It is seldom they find it, and more seldom still that the attainment brings them greater happiness than the quest. |
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